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Hooray 1254829183|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
What a bunch of arse the music industry is.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/oct/06/edwyn-collins-sharing-music
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GingerTea 1254939068|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
99% of all artists are in the same rights boat, they get what is technically a loan to record their albums at the expence of loosing ownership of the master recordings.
edit wrote that then read the article, but basically record lables are like bank loans with the added benefits of marketing, but only if you suit their demographics
i can only think of a handfull of large bands/artists that own the rights and have the (P) symbol in their name not the lable
iron maiden since day one
bruce springsteen since day one
ray charles, after leaving atlantic
and perhaps nine inch nails now hes without a lable, but only for new releases
edit
edwyn collins too
thats why when ever im in a thread about music piracy i say "if you dont buy the music, send the equivelant amount as a cheque to the band or buy merchandies at the gigs"
hell buy em a pint or give em a blowjob backstage, just show some apreciation for the 'free music' you downloaded
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Hooray 1254982467|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
I disagree. I don't know how we went from people playing music for other to enjoy to people being so precious about their music that you have to pay for it in digital form. I'll quite happily pay for a cd or vinyl, but bollocks to an mp3. After years and years of duping us with the price of cds, with only a tiny bit going to the artist, now the next one is getting people to pay over and over for a music file. They must be laughing, they don't even have to manufacture anything now.
If people are making music to earn money and not because they love it, then I say fuck em. The music industry is going down, and this piracy about music in digital form is the last efforts of desperation.
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iivix 1254987570|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
If people are making music to earn money and not because they love it, then I say fuck em.
Damn straight
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subsonika 1254996627|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
If people are making music to earn money and not because they love it, then I say fuck em.
couldnt agree more.
i think distributing free original music on the net is a bit like street graffiti - done purely for the pleasure.
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Thee Crumb 1254999458|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
While I'm all for people being compensated for their time and effort I think we all know that isn't the real reason we make music - it isn't for me anyway.
The record companies have really got a nerve banging on about downloaders in any case. They seem to be totally unable to see the reason that sales are falling is connected entirely to the X-Factor/American Idol karaoke crud and identikit bandwagon-jumping acts they push in everyone's faces all the time. Instead of developing bands and artists that might last ten or twenty years and develop into interesting acts they just look for short-term gain and then hand all the profits over to their shareholders and CEOs.
Like a lot of other industries that share this model, the only way to maintain the profit margins is to squeeze the workers (in this case, the bands they sign) until the pips squeek. Hence why most acts make next-to-nothing from album sales…
And then, when nobody's buying their sub-standard 'product' they have the nerve to blame the fans for downloading! Tossers. In any other business, you'd look to improve the end-product, but not these idiots.
Ahem - rant over :)
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GingerTea 1255011875|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
least with here i know most if not all of you do music for s**ts and giggles or something like that, everywhere else ive frequented seems like people are sucking on the piratebay/torrent teat till its sore and would probably never buy music if such distribution methods never existed like they didnt 20 years ago when most of us were still on tapes.
making music and earning a living from record sales is a non starter anyway, not with the pittance royalty cheques per cd sale, one counter argument was "they should tour more", well granted that would be nice, id have to travel to london to see half the bands i want but im not paying the rail fair and loosing a day off work if i dont make it for the last train, so they should come to me.
but how long are most 'touring bands' really willing to tour for, (speaking only for myself really as ive no idea what you lot do for a living outside of music) its ok us 9-5ers who have a job that allows us to sit down with our instruments and just record stuff and ship it free cos we dont mind, but if you take record sales out and perhaps airplay royalties too assuming all music becomes free, then the bands will have to earn money in other ways, granted it will sort the wheat from the chaff, but i dont want to find that new band i saw disband within a year as they cant get time off work to tour and cant guarantee breaking even even if they did.
touring and merchandising as a sole income is like asking 5 staff members of tesco to do one day in this branch another in the next and keep on going till theyve worked in each and every one, its fine for those that are within the radius of their homes, but once you get out on the road from lands end to john o groats, spending each night in a b&b you wonder why you are working for tescos, yet we expect that of a band.
most of the pros and cons of the music business are broken in the 21st centurary anyway as you dont need a record lable or studio to record an album, you dont need to press a gazzillion cd's or burn a limited CD-R run, you can just sell via iTunes etc, if you want to sell it that is. that way every penny outside of the sellers take is yours to split between the band (or just yourself)
and as thee crumb said:
compensation for time and effort, if you said upfront you needed to sell £1k to cover costs then you would give it away free, who on gods earth would be one of the buyers, id be at the back of the queue waiting for my free version.
i can buy a CD for a fiver, ok its a few years old but its still good, yet it could cost me £1 per song costing more online, so as long as i can still rip to mp3 from my vast CD collection id only ever buy online if it was something impulsive via my £5 per month 'free credit' on my phone
someone else once posted that book authours should be exempt from their plan and we should still buy books to help cover the costs incured in making them (over making all music free who pays the engineers time and the studio?)
how can you quantify costs with writing a book
jk rowling (made up examples but hey ho)
1 jotter pad
1 pc with wordprocessor
5 cups of coffee at a cafe whilst writing for an hour or 2 every monday wednesday and friday
hardly breaking the bank and probably less than an hour at the cheapest studio
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